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IPv6 Demonstration - Getting the wow factor?
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Article :
30110
Date :
01-04-2008
From :
Whatever I Fear
Sujet :
IPv6 Demonstration - Getting the wow factor?
I am in charge of setting up a demo for a client for a small IPv6 lab
to demonstrate some of our capabilities. Currently, we are using IPv6
tunneling through an IPv4 network, with various IPv4 and IPv6 web
servers and IPv6 network cameras.
It is a pretty quick task to show, hey you can access IPv4 and IPv6
web pages seamlessly, and you can show feeds of digitial video of IPv6
cameras, but at the end of the day, this leaves you saying "so what"?
It is kind of difficult to demonstrate "protocols".
In essence I need something with a little bit of wow factor in
something that really doesnt have that much.
I am curious about some other good ideas to just show the capabilities
of IPv6 with a couple IPv4 routers, cameras, enabled workstations,
etc. I would like to show maybe some security issues, maybe some
gotchas if you just plug up IPv6 and dont really take security into
account, just something that makes you say, "hey this IPv6 thing could
be good for us".
I appreciate any thoughts.
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Article :
30111
Date :
01-04-2008
From :
Albert Manfredi
Sujet :
Re: IPv6 Demonstration - Getting the wow factor?
On Apr 1, 10:32=A0am, Whatever I Fear wrote:
> I am in charge of setting up a demo for a client for a small IPv6 lab
> to demonstrate some of our capabilities. =A0Currently, we are using IPv6
> tunneling through an IPv4 network, with various IPv4 and IPv6 web
> servers and IPv6 network cameras.
>
> It is a pretty quick task to show, hey you can access IPv4 and IPv6
> web pages seamlessly, and you can show feeds of digitial video of IPv6
> cameras, but at the end of the day, this leaves you saying "so what"?
> It is kind of difficult to demonstrate "protocols".
>
> In essence I need something with a little bit of wow factor in
> something that really doesnt have that much.
>
> I am curious about some other good ideas to just show the capabilities
> of IPv6 with a couple IPv4 routers, cameras, enabled workstations,
> etc. =A0I would like to show maybe some security issues, maybe some
> gotchas if you just plug up IPv6 and dont really take security into
> account, just something that makes you say, "hey this IPv6 thing could
> be good for us".
>
> I appreciate any thoughts.
Good luck.
One of the hyped-up "advantages" of IPv6 is the supposed security
advantage. It simply does not exist.
What IPv6 did in the past, at least on paper, is to mandate IPsec in
all hosts and all routers. Guess what? (1) There is nothing to prevent
you from implementing the very same IPsec protocols in IPv4 nodes, and
(2) there are plenty of IPv6 stacks out there that don't do IPsec
anyway.
As a matter of fact, just how much and specifically what security
protocols should be mandated for IPv6 nodes is a matter of debate as
we speak, within the IETF. But be that as it may, there is nothing
INTRINSIC in IPv6 that creates a more secure environment. That's the
bottom line. For what it's worth, RFC 4294 is being updated to reflect
some of these debates.
I know this doesn't help your cause. I'm just trying to introduce some
reality.
Bert
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Article :
30112
Date :
01-04-2008
From :
Le Chaud Lapin
Sujet :
Re: IPv6 Demonstration - Getting the wow factor?
On Apr 1, 1:11=A0pm, Albert Manfredi wrote:
> On Apr 1, 10:32=A0am, Whatever I Fear wrote:
> > In essence I need something with a little bit of wow factor in
> > something that really doesnt have that much.
Take 10 IPv6 laptops and space them 50 meters apart.
Take another IPv6 laptop and drive in your vehicle past the 10 IPv6
nodes, with FTP session active, and show that the transfers continue
essentially uninterrupted. Set this up this configuration in real-
time, while your audience is watching, in under 10 minutes.
:)
> As a matter of fact, just how much and specifically what security
> protocols should be mandated for IPv6 nodes is a matter of debate as
> we speak, within the IETF. But be that as it may, there is nothing
> INTRINSIC in IPv6 that creates a more secure environment. That's the
> bottom line. For what it's worth, RFC 4294 is being updated to reflect
> some of these debates.
>
> I know this doesn't help your cause. I'm just trying to introduce some
> reality.
Albert is right. IPv6 is, unfortunately, in 2008, highly overrated.
This is what happens when duct-tape something as important at a system
that is supposed be used by more than 10 billion people in its mature
state: you end up with something that begins to rot in its own waste.
Truth is, there probably is nothing you can do to wow your audience.
The wow factor comes from applications, not necessarily the protocols,
and since IPv6 does not exactly facilitate the creation of wow
applications, you have no wow applications to show, and all you are
left with is a protocol, which just so happens to be a mess to look
at.
-Le Chaud Lapin-
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Article :
30116
Date :
02-04-2008
From :
Skybuck Flying
Sujet :
Re: IPv6 Demonstration - Getting the wow factor?
How are we supposed to know how to impress any client if we don't know
anything about the client ? ;)
Bye,
Skybuck.
"Whatever I Fear" wrote in message
news:e5c4c752-1a05-4aab-97e1-5f17a37847c8@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>I am in charge of setting up a demo for a client for a small IPv6 lab
> to demonstrate some of our capabilities. Currently, we are using IPv6
> tunneling through an IPv4 network, with various IPv4 and IPv6 web
> servers and IPv6 network cameras.
>
> It is a pretty quick task to show, hey you can access IPv4 and IPv6
> web pages seamlessly, and you can show feeds of digitial video of IPv6
> cameras, but at the end of the day, this leaves you saying "so what"?
> It is kind of difficult to demonstrate "protocols".
>
> In essence I need something with a little bit of wow factor in
> something that really doesnt have that much.
>
> I am curious about some other good ideas to just show the capabilities
> of IPv6 with a couple IPv4 routers, cameras, enabled workstations,
> etc. I would like to show maybe some security issues, maybe some
> gotchas if you just plug up IPv6 and dont really take security into
> account, just something that makes you say, "hey this IPv6 thing could
> be good for us".
>
> I appreciate any thoughts.
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Article :
30117
Date :
02-04-2008
From :
Dick Wesseling
Sujet :
Re: IPv6 Demonstration - Getting the wow factor?
In article <4463255e-c9f7-4225-bfdc-1873870b08b0@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Le Chaud Lapin writes:
>
> The wow factor comes from applications, not necessarily the protocols,
> and since IPv6 does not exactly facilitate the creation of wow
> applications, you have no wow applications to show, and all you are
> left with is a protocol, which just so happens to be a mess to look
> at.
I don't know if IPv6 is such a mess, I'm not a v6 expert, but it cannot
be a bigger mess than the combination of IPv4 plus NAT that we are stuck
with right now. I'm currently trying to set up a SIP based telephony
network - a wow application - but the fact that some of the intended
users are behind NAT is giving me a headache. ICE attempts to "solve"
the NAT problem by building NAT traversal into the application layer at
the endpoints, but that is just a symptom, not a cure.
Wow applications like Internet Telephony would be a lot easier to create
with a _proper_ solution of the address scarcity problem.
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Article :
30126
Date :
04-04-2008
From :
Kristoff Bonne
Sujet :
Re: IPv6 Demonstration - Getting the wow factor?
Hi all,
Le Chaud Lapin schreef:
>> As a matter of fact, just how much and specifically what security
>> protocols should be mandated for IPv6 nodes is a matter of debate as
>> we speak, within the IETF. But be that as it may, there is nothing
>> INTRINSIC in IPv6 that creates a more secure environment. That's the
>> bottom line. For what it's worth, RFC 4294 is being updated to reflect
>> some of these debates.
>> I know this doesn't help your cause. I'm just trying to introduce some
>> reality.
> Albert is right. IPv6 is, unfortunately, in 2008, highly overrated.
> This is what happens when duct-tape something as important at a system
> that is supposed be used by more than 10 billion people in its mature
> state: you end up with something that begins to rot in its own waste.
> Truth is, there probably is nothing you can do to wow your audience.
Well, there is:
Just shut down your IPv4 connectivity and say "this is the situation we
will be in by in 3 years from now; and this is how we are going to solve
it".
In the end, this'll probably be the only thing that will drive IPv6.
When I look at my situation at home, the only thing where IPv6 would
really help is that it gives some devices on my local network their own
public-addressable IP-address and this does allow for some nice ideas.
It would allow my SIP-phone to be using in pure "peer-to-peer" mode and
allows applications like jingle (voip over xmmp) to be implemented
without some kind of relay.
But these are all "nice features" because I like to play around with
networks and computers; not really a necessity. They are not really
things I really need.
E.g. My SIP-phone works great in client-server mode, so -from a user
point of view- I do not need IPv6 at all.
In fact, all issues that IPv6 was created for to solve (with the
exception of the scarcity of IP-addresses), have already been solved in
IPv4 in some way.
> The wow factor comes from applications, not necessarily the protocols,
> and since IPv6 does not exactly facilitate the creation of wow
> applications, you have no wow applications to show, and all you are
> left with is a protocol, which just so happens to be a mess to look
> at.
To be honest,
IPv6 is only a transport-layer. So I do not see any reason why IPv6
would be more or less suited to write applications for then IPv4.
> -Le Chaud Lapin-
Cheerio. Kr. Bonne.
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